You are circle talking and conflating issues in an attempt to change the subject. You are somehow hooked on this idea that because Cali has fiscal problems that somehow implys an inherent flaw in progressive policies. It’s complete and utter horsesh1t and anyone with half a brain can spot your pivot a mile a way.

1. I am glad your partisan barrier is weakening and you are starting to come around to the truth about Bush AND the GOP. Please show how progressives in the minority own two wars, two tax cuts and a prescription drug bill that was even attempted to be paid for. I love how the GOP and conservatives walked in lock step with Bush on each and every splurge and never once asked how we were paying for it. Now when a Democrat is in office cleaning up your mess you want to attack him as the irresponsible one!? It would be comical if it weren’t so transparently sad.

2. Another demonstration of your spin…it’s a ratio and not a dollar amount. The population has nothing to do with receiving more federal tax dollars than you contribute. That means these progressive states are paying for many roads, bridges and schools in the red states you seem to idolize.

3. All I got from number three was some poor attempt at a distortion. Congrats! Your double talk has me perplexed…

4. Ahhhhh so because they are favorable projections you can’t speak to them since it hasn’t happened yet. Funny because haven’t you been attacking Obama for what his polices are GOING to do to this country from the very beginning? I’ll take hypocritical internet posters for 2000 Alex!

5. More conjecture and talking about what is GOING to happen all while refusing to address my points…yes we get it, the Dems are secretly waiting to ambush America with hidden taxes and a Bolshevik takeover. The extreme radical bill that was passed that doesn’t have a public option, doesn’t have a co-op, implicitly bans federal money going towards abortions and removed end of life counseling. Run for the hills! The Dems are coming! The Dems are coming!

6. Only a complete partisan blinded by party would interpret my opposition to the prescription drug bill as a slight against capitalism. Absurd! That bill was a drug company wet dream! The federal government can’t negotiate drug prices and can’t buy across our borders yet is on the hook for billions of dollars each year.

Man, it’s clear you have been sipping too much Hannity juice! Fox news and talk radio have you turned all upside down! You’re the political equivalent of a British soccer hoodlum who puts Team GOP above all else and if you win you burn everything to the ground.

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Things that a victim society would say when called out on their own system, Peter!

Why won't you just post the numbers for California?

The state has been under "progressive" control for quite some time.

Your excuses are boring and inconsequential. If the system works, the amount of people shouldn't matter. As a matter of fact, the more, the merrier! LOL!

FREE SOUP FOR EVERYONE!

Now with more potato!

Seriously,

I'd like to see the results of your system at work.

Please post them here.

2. “Donor states”? You must be joking. The reason they contribute more is only because they have a higher population, numbers man. This all goes back to the argument I posed earlier, the amount of non-contributors exceeds the amount of contributors.

The red states have less population to contribute nationally, but they also aren’t in debt. Texas is one of the best run states in the union, monetarily speaking. Red states rule, bug guy!

3. Yes, it would have half of the problems. I can see why you wouldn’t like that as a progressive. If you don’t have all those problems, you can’t beg for more taxes and spending on the non-contributors.

4. I can’t argue things that haven’t happened yet. That’s for hope and change addicts.

5. Good! The majority of the population doesn’t want the elite telling it how to live and what they need. They like choice. Obama and his pipe dream of health care is nothing more than trying to shift control of yet another industry to Big Government. An end around tax to care for a minimal amount of the population which will be spent just like the programs like SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. Calling it reform doesn’t fool anyone. The GOP wanted to talk health care savings accounts and massive TORT reform, along with national competition for insurance companies, but Obammy wasn’t having it. All of a sudden, he wants to talk? No thanks. They’re not going to fall for his little spitball session ruse. They should shove his health care plan right up his arse, but they know they’d wind up paying for the removal. No one wants a health care system that the very people creating it wouldn’t use themselves.

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT!
The “general welfare” clause was never written for the welfare we know now. Government has no business controlling industries or forcing people to purchase their goods or services.

You’re a dying breed, and fast. Your Utopian hope and change only works in theory.

6. There you go, let it all out. “Capitalism is the enemy!” How dare someone make profits when others have nothing, right? Tell me something, when someone has a loaf of bread and they’re forced to give half of it to someone who has none, what happens when the next two people with nothing come along? Less bread for all, everyone eventually starves. Progressives want everyone to be brought down to a median miserable level instead of allowing people to succeed while others fail.

Control, control, control.

Just the facts, Seth.
Post the numbers.

I want everyone to see the future of their state under the system you support.

1. You are taking California, the 6th largest economy in the world and critiquing it’s budget in the midst of a severe GLOBAL economic downturn. That is not a fair representation of progressive policies in action. Further most states are having budget issues hence the need for the billions in stimulus money to keep their books balanced and keep their employees working.

2. Further California and most “progressive” states are donor states that contribute more federal tax money than they receive. The biggest federal welfare states are all red states dominated by the GOP.

3. Progressive states like NYC and California are major engines of our national economy. Our country would be a fraction of it’s current size if these “progressive” states had not been there year in and year out generating GDP.

4. Most of Obama’s policies as I already explained are in place to fight a recession he inherited. Again, the majority of the deficit he is running was baked in the cake years ago. He has done very little to increase the 10 year debt projections and a large chunk of the deficits will disappear once revenue increases as the recession’s effects wear off.

5. No one can honestly talk about addressing our deficits and long term debt without addressing Medicare, Medicaid and health care reform. The GOP has committed to defeating Obama at all costs and refuse to work in a meaningful way to address these issues.

6. When the GOP had complete control they did nothing to address the long term debt and di not even attempt to reform heath care. The only thing they did do was add trillions in debt with a prescription drug program that didn’t even allow the government to negotiate drug prices.

You guys had your chance and failed! It’s the progressives turn to run the ship and see if we can do it a bit better than a near complete economic and financial collapse.

P.S. my blog is up and you can go visit it at dropdeadpolitics.com

How about naming a U.S. state that has successfully been practicing progressive politics?

Since you’re the budget expert, I’d like you to show me some more numbers. Can you please show me the budgets and deficits for California? I’d like to see a complete breakdown of expenditures and the massive surpluses you claim are inevitable from the progressive system. Please include immigration, prison, and educational spending.

No, I don’t want to wait for your blog to be up.
The Obama numbers were already in, and you didn’t mind running those.
The numbers for progressive-laden California are also in.

1. the 2009 deficit is already known and I showed it was well over what you stated and how Bush was to blame

2. your "quadruple" talking point was dashed to shreds

Now you want to default to the tried and true deflection of negating any valid criticism on Bush as "looking to the past" ignoring that his policies are still having an effect today. His policies are what lead to the deficit you are now trying to pin on Obama so bringing truth to the debate was my obligation. You can't refute the facts on their merits so you rather deflect and assert Liberals of having a culture of victim hood. It's a transparent diversion easily countered with facts. The GOP should change their mascot from the elephant to the ostrich since their constituents enjoy burying their collective heads in the sand in the face of hard facts.

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