Sarah Palin addresses the Tea Party Convention
Fresh off her keynote speech at the Tea Party Convention, Sarah Palin said Saturday that she “would be willing” to take on Barack Obama for the presidency in 2012.
“I would be willing to if I believe that it’s right for the country,” Palin told FOXNews.com.
The former GOP Vice Presidential candidate did qualify her statement, adding that she sees “many” other potential candidates who are “in as strong or stronger position than I am to take on the White House and if they’re in a better position than I in three years, I’ll support them.”
Palin used her keynote speech to the Tea Party Convention to bash Obama for being soft on terrorism and foreign policy. When asked if she was contemplating a presidential bid in a Q&A session afterward, the audience broke out in an impromptu chant of “Run, Sarah, Run”.
Since resigning early from her Alaska governorship, Palin has used her clout as a “rogue” conservative to endorse third-party candidate Dough Hoffman for the New York 23rd Congressional District race, and Rand Paul for the GOP Kentucky Senate primary. She has also used social-networking sites such as Facebook to address and criticize Obama policies to great effect.
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WooHOOOOO!!! go Sarah GO!! :)
In 2 years, she won’t be so hot.
This is why the controlled media hates her so much. She is a threat to the lefties. Go Sarah. I am thinking the bomanation won’t be a factor in 2012. By then his popularity will be in the toilet and the party will cut him loose. Like the Great Frank of Queens says “The left always eats it’s own”.
Good God, is this country ready for the back to back debacle of black man/ White woman President? I think not. The right is going to need a patsy to get in there and clean Obummer’s mess up and bow out 4 years later. Using a woman is not the best idea. The key will be to make sure a Democant doesn’t get back in to start the whole mess back up again. Patsy first, then ultra conservative to right this country to its founding ways.
The debacle started under Bush with a GOP majority in both houses. It will take years for Obama to clean up the stench that Bush and the GOP left behind. You could follow the trail of slime lie a slug all the way back to Crawford Texas.
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Sorry, Seth, but the Democants controlled Congress since ’03.
Endgame, first it was ’06, not ’03….
Second, the GOP as a minority since ’06 has had a record number of filibusters and dedicate themselves to obstruction at all costs. The Dems did not pass any major initiatives in Bush’s last two years in office so your point is moot. Now that they have the POTUS as well as both houses, the GOP is forcing every vote and issue to require 60 senators slowing government to a crawl. They are not interested in governing, they are interested in defeating Obama at “Waterloo”. Further if the GOP were able to regain power they wouldn’t know what to do…they are the ones always screaming that government does not work and the go about proving it by example!
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You’re right, my mistake. It was ’06.
I stand by my original comment. The country needs to shy away from this progressive nonsense and return to the founding ideals. Anyone can see the ultra progressive states are failing, and there isn’t one legitimate reason to believe that the rest of the country should follow in their footsteps. CA and NY are leading the pack to financial ruin. Eventually, they run out of people to finance their dreams of Utopia. Personal responsibility must be priority one instead of blame and living in the past. It’s fine to learn from history, but only a fool repeats its mistakes.
Endgame,
What conservative ideals are you referencing? What is your ideal idea of aPOTUS? What POTUS can you recall that passes your litmus test as a true conservative? Before you say Reagan, understand Reagan would not make it out of the GOP primary today. He raised taxes, pulled out of Lebanon and granted amnesty to millions of illegals. Bush Jr. ? No, he was a complete and utter failure who borrowed and spent America into a big financial hole.
The minor spending increase Obama enacted are to directly fight a recession he inherited. Further the money he has spent has been accompanied with spending freezes and a plan for increased revenue.
The tired failed policies of trickle down economics and waging war against a nation-less enemy as if they had an army were rejected by the American people in our last election. Only a small minority want to revert back to anything remotely resembling what you advocate. Conservatives want to “conserve” the status quo and Progressives want to “progress” to a more perfect union.
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So let me make sure I have this right…
You ask me a question… Then answer it? True Conservatives should adhere to the Constitution. I know your kind despises that document. Why is it that progressives have to bring everyone down to their level instead of rising up? Why are they so afraid to accept the one perspective they can’t control, yet accept every other?
Minor spending increase? You mean quadrupling the federal deficit, borrowing our own money back plus interest from China, and hyperinflation on the way?
Your thoughts completely ignore the majority of the stimulus has yet to be spent. Worse off, none of the money spent already has done anything. Creating temporary jobs and creating one job at the cost of two isn’t exactly progress. I can’t wait for the farce of a claim of job creation based on Census workers. Yes! Praise Obama, he put people to work for a few months! Hope and change appears to be like milk, it expires. And let’s remember he already upped the budget to hedge his bets. If you’re going to be spending that kind of money, you better have a bigger allotment so your numbers don’t look as bad.
Democants are leaving the party and the infighting is rampant. They don’t even want to run this year because they realize what a train wreck is ahead if this messiah continues this path. Your kind is a plague to the standards and ideals that formed this country. I’m not talking about what it has become, I’m referring to the country that was intended and established.
Trickle down economics works for the people who put in the effort and earn their keep. Small business creates jobs, tax revenue, and creates a consumer base. Elite Republicans guilty of greed and exploitation want to conserve the status quo, not Conservatives. They are different, you know. Maybe you noticed the millions of voters that have broken off of the Republican party and agree that both parties are complete buffoons?
And give me an example of where this “progress to a perfect union” is shown. Name one progressive nation, or even state, that is fully functional and doesn’t have its population dying to get out while bankrupting its citizens while the few in charge live high on the hog. Talk about getting used, you are the perfect example of disposable. At least in the free market system, people have an opportunity to make their own destiny. Your system is the definition of self-defeating. The second you succeed, you’re no longer needed.
How anyone could ignore common sense and logic to the point you’ve reached only shows that the education system and its dropping of standards to accommodate everyone who isn’t worthy of a pass needs to be held accountable. You know the education system, right? The one that has been ruined by political correctness due to coddling and the worst case of “union-itis” I’ve ever seen besides community activist groups.
Face it, your system is quicksand. Progressives’ ideals only work in theory and have no place in the real world. It’s only taken one year to awaken the masses. One can only pray the damage done in the next year won’t be beyond repair. Tax and spend to the point of bigger government and dependency? No thanks. I’d rather be self-sufficient and have the government do the three things it supposed to handle: Infrastructure, national security, and law enforcement.
1. Bush left Obama with a $1.26 trillion dollar deficit and the new budget Obama is proposing has a $1.55 trillion deficit. Explain how even using voodoo economics how that equates to a “quadrupling” of the deficit. You can’t and it’s an easily countered talking point that you could look up if you were interested in doing anything other than parroting talking points you hear on Fox.
2. Most of the increase in the deficit is due to less revenue from the severe recession we just went through and not new spending. Of the new spending most of it is paid for over the 10 year budget and was designed to specifically fight the recession.
3. Bush and the GOP waged two wars, gave two huge tax cuts and passed the biggest entitlement expansion in nearly 4 decades without paying a single penny. They swiped the credit card without regard for how it was going to be paid and now the Right wants to scream about fiscal responsibility! We are not buying it!
4. The CBO suggests that the stimulus has indeed had an impact and created/saved close to 1.6 million jobs. It also helped propel GDP at the fastest rate in years, 5.7% growth.
5. The fact that half the stimulus money will be spent this year only bolsters the results we have already seen. Spending the other half will help propel our recovery well into this year and beyond.
6. The jobs created are not necessarily temporary. Further the stimulus by it’s nature is temporary and bridges the gap to better economic times. It is not a cure, its a pain killer!
7. Trickle-down economics is a failure and too lengthy of a discussion to have now. Once my blog dropdeadpolitics.com is up and running rest easy knowing I will lay out the case and dissect the failures of Reganomics.
8. France and Sweden are two progressive countries that come to mind. They provide high quality health care, dynamic economies, great upward mobility and a world class education. From your ignorant rant it is clear you probably don’t even own a passport let alone know details about other countries.
9. Conservatives had their chance in the late 20′s and it lead to the Great Depression. They had their chance in the 2000′s and it lead to the Great Recession. They were handed a projected surplus and turned it into record deficits. They presided over the worst act of terrorism on their watch. No sir, the Conservatives are the ones who failed. It’s the Dems and Progressives tasked with cleaning up your mess!
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1,2,3,4. Where are you getting those numbers?
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
5. Surely you jest. The fact that there is no way to verify how many jobs have been “saved” and that nothing but temporary jobs have been created at the cost of permanent ones should tell you that absolutely nothing positive has come from the first part of the stimulus. Spending the second half is comparable to what happened to the economy in the first place: Overspending and living beyond the means available.
6. The jobs are temporary. First, it was the seasonal jobs for the holidays they made famous. Gone, back on unemployment. Now, it’s jobs that are funded by the stimulus money. Soon to be gone once the money runs out. Next, it will be the Census jobs. They’re done before they even start. “Pain killer” indeed, but that doesn’t make the pain nonexistent. Throwing money at problems doesn’t work. That goes for everything from the budget, the deficit, welfare, foreign aid, or anything that is entitlement driven or that takes the responsibility of self-sufficiency away from the individual. You’re widening the gap by putting off the inevitable, not bridging it. Perhaps some more stimulus money should be thrown at it before you start admitting that fact?
7. Progressive politics are self defeating. I already addressed this fact, which was cordially ignored by you. Don’t start a blog, there’s enough misinformed people in the world already.
8. France and Sweden’s populations are a fraction of the U.S.’s. Unless you have enough opportunity for people to be contributors, the system fails. Why? Because when the amount of non contributors exceeds the amount of contributors, the motivation to succeed and have the fruits of your labor taken because others feel entitled is void. People who think logically don’t perform self defeating tasks. What will you do when the contributors decide to stop? You cannot force people to contribute. This fact is evident by the amount of social programs draining the economy and the amount of people making a living by abusing them rather than putting forth their efforts to better themselves. Would you like some welfare stats? How about AA stats? Data on quotas being met rather than the most qualified being put to use? France and Sweden do not compare to what the U.S. would be like. They are both far behind the times of the U.S. and this is evident by their recent amount of social problems. France began practicing wedge politics and you should look into the Swedish immigration policy.
9. Is this where I’m supposed to blame the previous Presidencies for the Conservative recessions? No thanks, that’s your gig. But let’s remember how that surplus came about and the effects that happened long after they were gone from office to be blamed on the party in office at the time. Democants are like forum trolls, they go in, start a bunch of shit, and leave while the rest of the place has to sort out their mess.
P.S. Persistence doesn’t make you right.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/ HA! Proving my point! You post spin and nothing more from Heritage foundation no less! They are a neo-con think tank who spin everything in favor of conservatives..
1-4 Bush is responsible for the 2009 budget, not Obama. They budget a year ahead so that ’09 deficit is Bush’s not Obama’s. Further: The Bush year policies — the tax cuts, wars and Medicare drug bill — added $700 billion to the deficit in 2009. The recession added about $500 billion. The stimulus package added a little under $200 billion.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/09/business/economy/20090610-leonhardt-graphic.html
It will break down the deficit for you and using their numbers was well over a trillion before Obama stepped into office.
More on the BUSH deficit Obama inherited:
“HOW DID WE GET HERE? When President Bush took office in 2001, the federal budget had been in the black for three years, and continued surpluses were projected for a decade to come.
By the time Mr. Bush left office in early 2009, the government had run big deficits for seven straight years, and the economy was on the brink of another Great Depression. On Jan. 7, 2009 — two weeks before Mr. Obama was inaugurated — the Congressional Budget Office issued new budget estimates showing a fiscal year 2009 deficit of well over $1 trillion.
About half of today’s huge deficits can be chalked up to Bush-era profligacy: mainly cutting taxes deeply while borrowing to wage two wars and to enact the Medicare prescription drug benefit — all of which Republicans supported, virtually in lockstep.
The other half of recent deficits is due to the recession and the financial crisis.
To avoid a meltdown, the government — under President Bush and President Obama — rightly decided it had no choice but to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out banks and car companies and to stimulate the economy. That prevented a very bad situation from becoming much worse, but as the recession dragged on, hundreds of billions in tax revenues have also dried up.
As for why the financial system and the economy imploded, President Bush and Congress deserve much of the blame for their devotion to debt-driven growth and blind deregulatory zeal — although on deregulation, President Clinton and his team (some of whom are back in the White House) were also complicit.
Were it not for those multiple calamities, budget deficits today would be negligible. That does not mean we would be off the hook. An aging population and relentlessly rising health care costs will hit the country with even deeper deficits as the baby boomers retire. Politicians need to pass health care reform now and start thinking seriously about Social Security and tax reform.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/opinion/07sun1.html
5.It’s easy to calculate the jobs “saved”. All one needs to do is look at the layoffs proposed by each state due to their budget issues and then look how the stimulus plugged those holes and SAVED teachers, firefighters and police officers from being laid off. Remember that 1/3 went to tax cuts, 1/3 went to extend unemployment ad fix state budgets and 1/3 went to actual job creation through infrastructure project spending. Lets look at what the CBO says about the stimulus and jobs:
“President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus package has generated between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs, according to a new government report likely to become fodder in debates on additional efforts to combat unemployment.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the $787 billion stimulus package approved in February lowered the nation’s unemployment rate by between 0.3 and 0.9 percentage points while boosting the economy by between 1.2 percent and 3.2 percent. The analysis also found that three-quarters of the money provided in the stimulus had yet to be funneled into the economy by the end of September.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aJI_OZwQHz_U
6. Unemployment dipped to 9.7%. Further it is a lagging indicator because the last thing business do after a recession is start hiring.
7. Progressive policies have moved this country forward each and every time. They helped lift us from a depression, built a highway system and sent millions to college for starters.
8. I am not here to defend France or Sweden. The stats speak for themselves. They live longer, have less crime, more upward mobility and are better educated. Their infrastructure is modern while ours is falling apart due to neglect.
9.Yes that surplus came about because Clinton raised taxes, cut defense spending and presided over record expansion in GDP. That was squandered by Bush with his borrow and spend policies. Lets remember it was Bush and the GOP that created a trillion plus entitlement program…not the dems!
P.S. dropdeadpolitics.com
P.P.S. What makes me right are the facts…
More info that shreds that silly spin by Heritage:
“Despite the Republican scoffing, Obama’s claims are backed up by the historical record — mostly.
Budget surplus in 2000: The Congressional Budget Office reported on Nov. 14, 2000, in its Monthly Budget Review: “Fiscal year 2000 ended with a total budget surplus of $237 billion.”
Deficit when Obama took office: By the time Obama took office, that black ink had turned to gushers of red. “CBO projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion,” CBO said in its “Budget and Economic Outlook.” That was released Jan. 8, 2009, days before Obama’s inauguration. Update Feb 5: The $1.2 trillion projection would have been $966 billion had CBO been accounting for mortgage losses then the way they were eventually treated in the official deficit figures. See clarification below.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/obamas-state-of-the-union-address/
That was the fact-check.org assessment that confirms the budget to be well over 1 trillion by the time Obama stepped into office. In conlusion your “quadruple” claim is way out of wack. I suggest you do more research than just taking Sean Hannity or the Hertiage Foundation’s word on face value…
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Oh good lord. [face palm]
I don’t particularly care for circular copy/pasta discussion. So if it isn’t quadrupled, what is it? Tripled, doubled? Truth is, you can’t know yet. Even the clarification on the Heritage site stated the first year is a shared responsibility. It also used the CBO. So all that can be obtained is an estimated figure, and we all know nothing comes in under budget when the government is involved.
Unemployment dipped? lol. Yeah, we only lost 800,000 jobs in January. I’m feeling relieved already, and it only took half of the stimulus to save those unverifiable jobs. Of course, you seem to think companies take some sort of truth serum when offering their projected layoffs. Saved firefighters and police? Laughable. That’s one of the three things they’re actually responsible for controlling. Saved teachers? Did you really expect the Obama regime to do anything but support the NEA after all the support they throw his way? They don’t save teacher jobs, they bunch more students into less classes.
I already addressed the temporary status of stimulus infrastructure jobs. They’re great until the stimulus money runs out, then everyone goes back to unemployment. They aren’t permanent positions. If they were, the states wouldn’t need the stimulus money for it in the first place. And exactly how does one determine when unemployment hits bottom? They’re taking credit for saving jobs that simply can’t be cut. Companies have trimmed all the fat they can, eventually you run out of positions to lay off before businesses go under. What about those 100+ banks that went under so far? I don’t suppose you’ll agree that Carter, Clinton, and Obama sealed the fate of those banks by forcing them to make high risk loans through the expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act? I bet you’re one of those “predatory lending” enthusiasts. It’s always someone else’s fault, we know.
Progressive policies have destroyed every budget and every surplus ever known to man. As I stated earlier, the effects of progressive politics can’t be felt until the progressives are long gone, unless Obama is planning on staying in office until 2016(?). Again, already addressed.
Of course you’re here to defend France and Sweden. I asked you to name a country that demonstrated where this system of your boy works and you brought them into the discussion. It wasn’t until I showed you have no clue about the logistical limitations of the system that you decided you’re not here to defend them. Those countries are 20 years behind where the U.S. is now, at least. They don’t have high amounts of immigration, they don’t have high crime and overpopulation of prisons (or in general), and they don’t have a majority of the population that is of the non-contributor status. Of course the system will work when there’s enough people to support it, but that isn’t the case here in the U.S. and the situation is only getting worse, no matter what the estimates say.
Yes, blame Bush. Again. [yawn] When does that excuse expire anyway, I’m very curious about your answer. Will there be some sort of Bush bashing whenever something goes wrong during this administration? I know every administration does it, but no one seems to be able to admit currently. All I’ve seen is a regime taking credit for figures that can’t be verified, imaginary results, and naturally occurring phenomenon. Why aren’t there any goals ever posted by this regime? Just reactionary responses like this was a board game. I mean seriously, what’s the plan here, Barry? We all know what the goal of a free market is, and we all know what individual rights and the protection of those rights is about, but when is Barry going to let us know what he’s doing? Is he worried he’ll explain it wrong again, like he did with health care? Maybe a few “corpse men” can help him figure out a plan.
I know you like paradox discussions, so please don’t bother with the “which came first, surplus or mess up?” seesaw. One is the result of the other.
Nice pivot…but not nearly nice enough. The fact is it didn’t quadruple or even approach tripling or doubling in size. I don’t understand why you say we can’t possibly know yet…we are talking actual public numbers. You don’t like the numbers because they fly in the face of your initial argument. Now you want to blur the debate and pretend the CBO hasn’t published the 2009 or 2010 budgets. Yes, if there is another recession this year less revenue will bring a larger deficit. That said it doesn’t change the fact that I clearly exposed a common Conservative lie about the deficits and what Obama truly inherited.
I also notice you never addressed all the borrow and spend habits the GOP practiced while in complete control of our government. The so called conservative party squandered a surplus and borrowed their way into a housing and financial bubble. Two wars…not paid for. Two tax cuts disproportionately advantaging the rich…not paid for. .A prescription drug plan that enriched the drug companies…not paid for.
Bush put the economic pedal to the floow after the .com bust and 911 and did not let up until we were in a ditch. His Bush Home Ownership Society combined with all-time low interest rates fueled a housing bubble to compensate for the loss in wealth due to our manufacturing jobs disappearing. That bubble he inflated to mask our issues popped on his watch. He appointed all the positions that were responsible for oversight and regulation so the lion share of the blame falls on the GOP.
As to your silly claims I am here to defend France or Sweden. You asked a question about what countries are successful and progressive…I named two off the top of my head. Now you want to go on some xenophobic Joe Sixpack rant about how these foreign countries are 20 years behind us…a stat we all know you pulled from your arse. Further you highlight your ignorance as if France doesn’t contend with illegal immigrants and a segregated Muslim community along with many other complex domestic issues.
In conclusion your entire post was rife with conjecture and distortions easily countered with a few minutes on Google. We Dems only blame Bush for what he is responsible for. I love these Conservatives that defended and enabled Bush’s inept policies for 8 years and now want to pretend like it’s all in the past. The trouble with that blissful denial is the reality that his policies and more pointedly his debt still severely effect us. Is that the conservatism you want to return to? One year into the Obama administration and you already know the result of the next two elections!
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You’re not much of a listener, are you?
Normally, I would resort to some low level ad hominem attack because your merry go round makes people dizzy, but I can tell that’s exactly what you want. If you want to continue, feel free. I’ve addressed everything you’ve pointed out and more. I even had a bout of temporary insanity and tried to explain why I disagree with you and your by the book stance. But you like to live in the past instead of looking at the effects your system will have in the future. The best way to judge a debate is to note what the opponent has skipped over or ignored, and I feel I’ve made some good points which you refuse to acknowledge. Your Bush bashing is old hat, and your budget numbers can’t be tallied until they actually happen, so the point is moot. I’m simply tired of repeating myself as where you are paying for the whole seat and only using the edge.
Enjoy your self claimed win.
You can blog about it in November after you and the other bloggers have nothing to do except complain about how you never got a real chance to fix anything and the victorious (R) and (C) candidates begin cleaning up your progressive mess off the bottom of their shoes.
Poor little victims…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A81P6YGw_c
I accept your concession but there was no need since it was clear who “won” the debate. The truth and hard facts may make you dizzy and for that I apologize…why don’t you take a seat? I reject your assertions that you addressed my points in a meaningful way, it was clear you didn’t. Further your claims that we won’t know the deficit numbers until later this year ignores two important facts:
1. the 2009 deficit is already known and I showed it was well over what you stated and how Bush was to blame
2. your “quadruple” talking point was dashed to shreds
Now you want to default to the tried and true deflection of negating any valid criticism on Bush as “looking to the past” ignoring that his policies are still having an effect today. His policies are what lead to the deficit you are now trying to pin on Obama so bringing truth to the debate was my obligation. You can’t refute the facts on their merits so you rather deflect and assert Liberals of having a culture of victim hood. It’s a transparent diversion easily countered with facts. The GOP should change their mascot from the elephant to the ostrich since their constituents enjoy burying their collective heads in the sand in the face of hard facts.
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I acknowledged that Bush’s policies are still having effects today. You won’t even consider the effects of Obama’s policies down the road, after he’s gone. You support his system, but…
How about naming a U.S. state that has successfully been practicing progressive politics?
Since you’re the budget expert, I’d like you to show me some more numbers. Can you please show me the budgets and deficits for California? I’d like to see a complete breakdown of expenditures and the massive surpluses you claim are inevitable from the progressive system. Please include immigration, prison, and educational spending.
No, I don’t want to wait for your blog to be up.
The Obama numbers were already in, and you didn’t mind running those.
The numbers for progressive-laden California are also in.
Endgame,
1. You are taking California, the 6th largest economy in the world and critiquing it’s budget in the midst of a severe GLOBAL economic downturn. That is not a fair representation of progressive policies in action. Further most states are having budget issues hence the need for the billions in stimulus money to keep their books balanced and keep their employees working.
2. Further California and most “progressive” states are donor states that contribute more federal tax money than they receive. The biggest federal welfare states are all red states dominated by the GOP.
3. Progressive states like NYC and California are major engines of our national economy. Our country would be a fraction of it’s current size if these “progressive” states had not been there year in and year out generating GDP.
4. Most of Obama’s policies as I already explained are in place to fight a recession he inherited. Again, the majority of the deficit he is running was baked in the cake years ago. He has done very little to increase the 10 year debt projections and a large chunk of the deficits will disappear once revenue increases as the recession’s effects wear off.
5. No one can honestly talk about addressing our deficits and long term debt without addressing Medicare, Medicaid and health care reform. The GOP has committed to defeating Obama at all costs and refuse to work in a meaningful way to address these issues.
6. When the GOP had complete control they did nothing to address the long term debt and di not even attempt to reform heath care. The only thing they did do was add trillions in debt with a prescription drug program that didn’t even allow the government to negotiate drug prices.
You guys had your chance and failed! It’s the progressives turn to run the ship and see if we can do it a bit better than a near complete economic and financial collapse.
P.S. my blog is up and you can go visit it at dropdeadpolitics.com
Don’t post my argument for me!
Just the facts, Seth.
Post the numbers.
I want everyone to see the future of their state under the system you support.
1. If Bush is responsible for the deficit after he’s gone, so are the progressives. You can’t walk on both sides of the street here. Progressives have controlled California for a long time, and I submit their policies are exactly why they’re a mess.
2. “Donor states”? You must be joking. The reason they contribute more is only because they have a higher population, numbers man. This all goes back to the argument I posed earlier, the amount of non-contributors exceeds the amount of contributors.
The red states have less population to contribute nationally, but they also aren’t in debt. Texas is one of the best run states in the union, monetarily speaking. Red states rule, bug guy!
3. Yes, it would have half of the problems. I can see why you wouldn’t like that as a progressive. If you don’t have all those problems, you can’t beg for more taxes and spending on the non-contributors.
4. I can’t argue things that haven’t happened yet. That’s for hope and change addicts.
5. Good! The majority of the population doesn’t want the elite telling it how to live and what they need. They like choice. Obama and his pipe dream of health care is nothing more than trying to shift control of yet another industry to Big Government. An end around tax to care for a minimal amount of the population which will be spent just like the programs like SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. Calling it reform doesn’t fool anyone. The GOP wanted to talk health care savings accounts and massive TORT reform, along with national competition for insurance companies, but Obammy wasn’t having it. All of a sudden, he wants to talk? No thanks. They’re not going to fall for his little spitball session ruse. They should shove his health care plan right up his arse, but they know they’d wind up paying for the removal. No one wants a health care system that the very people creating it wouldn’t use themselves.
HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT!
The “general welfare” clause was never written for the welfare we know now. Government has no business controlling industries or forcing people to purchase their goods or services.
You’re a dying breed, and fast. Your Utopian hope and change only works in theory.
6. There you go, let it all out. “Capitalism is the enemy!” How dare someone make profits when others have nothing, right? Tell me something, when someone has a loaf of bread and they’re forced to give half of it to someone who has none, what happens when the next two people with nothing come along? Less bread for all, everyone eventually starves. Progressives want everyone to be brought down to a median miserable level instead of allowing people to succeed while others fail.
Control, control, control.
Sigh…
You are circle talking and conflating issues in an attempt to change the subject. You are somehow hooked on this idea that because Cali has fiscal problems that somehow implys an inherent flaw in progressive policies. It’s complete and utter horsesh1t and anyone with half a brain can spot your pivot a mile a way.
1. I am glad your partisan barrier is weakening and you are starting to come around to the truth about Bush AND the GOP. Please show how progressives in the minority own two wars, two tax cuts and a prescription drug bill that was even attempted to be paid for. I love how the GOP and conservatives walked in lock step with Bush on each and every splurge and never once asked how we were paying for it. Now when a Democrat is in office cleaning up your mess you want to attack him as the irresponsible one!? It would be comical if it weren’t so transparently sad.
2. Another demonstration of your spin…it’s a ratio and not a dollar amount. The population has nothing to do with receiving more federal tax dollars than you contribute. That means these progressive states are paying for many roads, bridges and schools in the red states you seem to idolize.
3. All I got from number three was some poor attempt at a distortion. Congrats! Your double talk has me perplexed…
4. Ahhhhh so because they are favorable projections you can’t speak to them since it hasn’t happened yet. Funny because haven’t you been attacking Obama for what his polices are GOING to do to this country from the very beginning? I’ll take hypocritical internet posters for 2000 Alex!
5. More conjecture and talking about what is GOING to happen all while refusing to address my points…yes we get it, the Dems are secretly waiting to ambush America with hidden taxes and a Bolshevik takeover. The extreme radical bill that was passed that doesn’t have a public option, doesn’t have a co-op, implicitly bans federal money going towards abortions and removed end of life counseling. Run for the hills! The Dems are coming! The Dems are coming!
6. Only a complete partisan blinded by party would interpret my opposition to the prescription drug bill as a slight against capitalism. Absurd! That bill was a drug company wet dream! The federal government can’t negotiate drug prices and can’t buy across our borders yet is on the hook for billions of dollars each year.
Man, it’s clear you have been sipping too much Hannity juice! Fox news and talk radio have you turned all upside down! You’re the political equivalent of a British soccer hoodlum who puts Team GOP above all else and if you win you burn everything to the ground.
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Things that a victim society would say when called out on their own system, Peter!
Why won’t you just post the numbers for California?
The state has been under “progressive” control for quite some time.
Your excuses are boring and inconsequential. If the system works, the amount of people shouldn’t matter. As a matter of fact, the more, the merrier! LOL!
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Now with more potato!
Seriously,
I’d like to see the results of your system at work.
Please post them here.