It seems that Phil Berg may finally get his day in court.
The Democrat activist lawyer, who was the first to bring forth a legal challenge to US-president elect Barack Obama’s eligibility to hold office based on his “natural born” status, is scheduled to have the US Supreme Court discuss the merits of the suit on January 9, 2009.
Berg originally brought his suit to the Supreme Court in October. Berg filed a Writ of Certiorari and an application for injunction of the election; the injunction was rejected by Judge David Souter’s Clerk. The case has been in legal limbo ever since.
Berg’s case marks the third time the US Supreme Court will argue the merts of a “natural born” lawsuit. The two previous cases, filed by New Jersey resident Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski. were both rejected.
“I know that Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally qualified natural born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of president of the United States,” Berg wrote in a statement on his Obamacrimes.com website.
The “natural born” status of president-elect Obama remains in question. Berg contends Obama was adopted by his step-father while living in Indonesia, thus removing his “natural born” status. An audio recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother admitting Obama was born in Kenya has surfaced. Additionally, Obama’s own “Fight The Smears” website said Obama was a Kenyan citizen until 1982.
Hawaii governor Linda Lingle, a Republican, has sealed Obama’s birth certificate from public access. A member of Obama’s election campaign dismissed the lawsuits as “pure garbage“.
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Acosta, you wrote:
you don’t like Obama, so how does that become part of your “We the People” rights? I don’t recall seeing that in the constitution, you are supporting a phony issue, just say you don’t like obama and respect those who voted for him, too hard for you?
No it’s not too hard for me to say, “I don’t like BHO”, I don’t like anyone how is not willing to be open and honest. BHO has caused doubt, to some, and will not release information to stop this madness.
Just because you like him does not make his issue go away.
I will say, I wish he would do the right thing and release his records so we can finally put this to rest. What harm can come to him if he has been truthful? With a stroke of the pin he can make all of his records accessable.
If you trust him and know he is truthful, please ask him to put us detractors in our place. Ask him to show his records.
Do you have a problem asking him to put us in our place?
MaineSkeptic, you are just too much of a wussy to have a real debate. You pick at insignificant things and split straws. You twist other’s words intentionally. You attribute to others things they have never said. Then you insult them when they successfully destroy your weak and petty arguments and call you on your games. You can’t admit when you are wrong. If being rude includes calling you on your games, count me RUDE.
I don’t need your tips either, especially when it refers to something I never claimed I would do (file a suit). I never asked you or anyone else to “argue my case.” You must be delusional. I really don’t know where you get this stuff. You are obviously making it up to make yourself look better. Besides, I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. If they can recognize the truth, fine. If not, then that will be their problem.
Get off the high pedestal you have placed yourself on, or you might break a few bones when you fall off of it.
You MUST BE Lan Lamphere. He would act with just the same false egotistical outrage. LOL
LOL! I rest my case.
And I’m outa here.
John
here is a link to candidates requirements for California that the Secretary of State is required to certify
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/election_2008/qualifications/dempres_2008.pdf
here is list of the certified candidates for California
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/election_2008/certified_list_of_candidates_08292008.pdf
all 50 states have similar requirements, you may check with Sectretary of States for all 50, try it.
so are you telling me that all 50 states did not do their job and properly certify Obama, if so the I can help you get in on an unclaimed will from So Africa, send me your SS no and Bank account plus $1000.00 filing fee and I will get you 2.5 million zarnas
See ya, Lan. LOL
@ Antonio Sosa
Thanks, you have also provided excellent examples.
I’ll quickly list some of the recommendations from the Frankfurt School in Germany (1923), a think tank started to find a solution to the problem of resistance against implementation of communist ideologies. The solution? Political Correctness. It proposed:
1. the creation of racism offences
2. continual change to create confusion
3. the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. the undermining of schools and teachers’ authority
5. huge immigration to destroy national identity
6. the promotion of excessive drinking
7. emptying the churches
8. an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime
9. dependency on the state or state benefits
10. control and dumbing down of media
11. encouraging the breakdown of the family
Now tell me if some of these points sound familiar…
Some important dates:
Election Nov 4: Obama won , Done
Electoral College: Dec 15 Obama won , Done
Congress Validates EV: Jan 8 due
Berg case: Jan 12: final “Denied” by SCOTUS due
Inauguration: Jan 20 Obama in with largest audience in History Cheering!
Now the next step, I can’t teach pigs how to fly, so like MainSkeptic said like I’m out here!
Antonio Sosa and Johann:
Bravo! You have hit the nail on the head!
acosta posted: I can’t teach pigs how to fly
Why not? You taught monkeys to vote…
Antonio Sosa —
Thank you for posting this link:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
This is the best video I have ever seen on what is happening in America. it is exactly correct, and it is explained in the best way I have heard. Everyone should watch this, NOW!
@ Antonio
Yip, that video is going to my blog. Brilliant!!
Thanks for the video link.
I am so glad you people are in charge, and can stop Obama, that is so neat, you all must be very proud, but how do we get rid of the Supreme Court.? Solve that one next, OK?
you people are way too brilliant for me, so ‘Hasta la vista, baby’
The crux of the matter, in my mind, is this: Some sizable percentage of the electorate has a question as to Barack Obama’s eligibility for the office of President; and, up to now, he has refused to offer any “conclusive” official documents that could set this question to rest.
That is the real point here.
It is *obvious* that various governmental and political organizations *should* have vetted him as to his eligibility. Whether they actually did so is a question. In a time of troubles attributed to lax regulation and oversight, can we really be sure they indeed did so? Maybe, maybe not.
The fact of the matter is that for at most probably a hundred dollars spent out of the candidate’s pocket, this could all be laid to rest. The actual birth certificate, the school transcripts, passport histories, the whole thing. I don’t even *care* about his medical history.
It’s not about ‘conspiracy theories’. I don’t think there was any great conspiracy here; at least not in the beginning. But by not taking the high road and delivery the ‘transparancy’ he campaigned on, it sure looks like there is one *now*.
Most eligibility requirements for public office are pretty simple. Mere unqualified citizenship, and sometimes a minimum age, are about it. Maybe a residency requirement in some cases. But the office of the President is a bit more circumspect, and just plain citizenship isn’t enough.
I don’t really doubt he’s a citizen. The question is whether he is a ‘natural born citizen of the United States’; as the term was understood and applied when the Constitution was written.
Some say it doesn’t or shouldn’t matter. But the Constitution lays out the foundation of our government. There are defined ways to change it. And that particular requirement has never been changed. Whether it *should* be is another, future question. But for now, the eligibility requirements for the office of the President are clear.
The only question is whether Barack Obama actually meets them; and *that* is *not* clear.
It should be. And should have been long before now.
If you want to see a REAL birth certificate go to my youtube page and watch my video. I go over my own birth certificate in detail. Then compare it to that fake document on Obama’s website, factcheck and others. My id is rockmanzzzz.
You be the judge.
I must admit… all of my previous comments are indicative of my mother’s mating habits with barnyard animals.
OK Emily and Antonia, I’ll bite.
Since we lack posting space, can we take the arguments one at a time?
First, I’ll take the position that there is no credible proof of any money spent by PE BHO on legal fees to defend the validity of his birth certificate or his citizenship. If you can provide a link that shows the names and amounts for said expenditures, I’ll concede. If you cannot, I expect you to concede the point.
I think it’s fair to add a couple of qualifiers.
1) It can’t be a link to an article that states the assertion without evidence of it’s own, or using another articles unsupported statements as it’s evidence. I see the estatements, but have never seen the proof.
2) The evidence must be an invoice, or receipt, or some statement that can be verified by an unbiased third party.
I think I’d like to take on the “which hospital” argument next.
The fact of the matter is that for at most probably a hundred dollars spent out of the candidate’s pocket, this could all be laid to rest. The actual birth certificate, the school transcripts, passport histories, the whole thing. I don’t even *care* about his medical history.
Remember when Obama’s Clinton’s and McCain’s passport records were accessed and they came unglued this summer?
How do you think Berg knows for sure that Obama did not travel to Pakistan on a U.S. Passport? I’m just connecting the dots for you.
The Courts have a responsibility to uphold the Constitution and shall not ignore “We The People” to hear this case.
Popular opinion has no place in this matter, it’s the rule of Law that needs to be determined.
We have a Constitution which is the rule of law and states the qualifications for President of the United States.
All presidential candidates are subject to qualify and on request provide legal documents to show he/she meets the rules of the Constitution.
Due to lack of transparency the candidate shall be demanded by the Court to provide all documents to show proof of qualifications within the Constitution to become President of the United States.
If this is not heard by the Court and the facts go unknown then the Court shall go under review by the Citizens of the United States of America.
I thought “The Onion” was good parody, but hell you guys are much better, no way anyone can be as dumb as your comments suggest, so it must be parody or satire, don’t let reality get in your way, just make up more shit, try pushing the Krypton story next, and that “John” guy, he needs to remove his strait jacket, keep it up and keep us laughing. Don’t forget to do an expose on the Republican officials in Hawaii for aiding Obama. You guys are really rich, dumb but rich!
The fact of the matter is that for at most probably a hundred dollars spent out of the candidate’s pocket, this could all be laid to rest. The actual birth certificate, the school transcripts, passport histories, the whole thing. I don’t even *care* about his medical history.
You should worry about his medical records! Crack Cocane is the most addictive substance known to man. He writes in his book “I used Cocane during those days…”
the Denieds
Nov 3 2008 Application 08A391 denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 6 2008 Application 08A407 denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 26 2008 Application 08A469 denied by Justice Ginsburg.
Dec 8 2008 Application 08A407 denied by the Court.
Dec 9 2008 Application 08A505 denied by Justice Souter.
Dec 15 2008 Application 08A469 denied by the Court.
Dec 17 2008 Application 08A524 denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 9, 2009.
“It seems that Phil Berg may finally get his day in court.”
sure, dream on!
I’m sure BHO and vam224 did a few lines together and then went to visit Barney Frank. A good time was had by all!
“The fact of the matter is that for at most probably a hundred dollars spent out of the candidate’s pocket,”
actually he paid $25.00 for his BC, which was submitted to proper authorities also placed on internet, verified “authentic” by many including the wingnuts favorite site “World Net Daily” as well as Republican officials in Hawaii, so he don’t need to show John anything, is that clear dumbshit!
John,
you need some help with your delusions, they can severely affect your life. Seriously, I suggest you visit MentalHelp.net
they have good advice and your family would appreciate it! Get your life back on track with reality! Try it!
http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=8822&cn=7
The document you skeak of is COLB, cokehead. It proves nothing. If you listen to and read the quotes of BHO’s savior in Hawaii, he says nothing to prove BHO was born in Hawaii.
If you can find a statement from him stating the name of the hospital show me! Hell If you find a quote that states he was born on Hawaii soil show me. All he said was there is a record in Hawaii and he has seen it.
If you don’t understand the parsing of his statements you are the dummy.
vam224,
we both need to get a life! I’ll be glad when this shit is over!
Dr. Fukino, Obama’s savior, is a lifelong Republican that supported John McCain, Linda Lingle, Republican governor of Hawaii was a strong McCain supporter. Fukimo was appointed to the position by Republican Governor Linda Lingle in 2002. So these people are in onit, what a web you weave, Idiot
Dr. Fukino is a good Doctor, but I am afraid he will not be able to pull John’s head out of his ass.
now tell me dear smart John, how did Obama get his passport? invent something neat OK?
I said show me the quotes, cant you follow instruction? Show me the Savior’s quotes!
I don’t have to invent anything. You show me his passport and you win! Especially the passport with Pakistan stamps that he wrote about in his book.
Show me is Long Form BC and you win!
You can’t prove a #$%@^&*% thing because you don’t have any proof, except you are in love .
Go shoot anothe line of coke and dream about your lover.
John, are you an Obama plant? You make this issue look so ridiculous that people laugh at it and then ignore it. Come on, confess you work for Obama and your job is to make this issue look ridiculous by making stupid comments, they are so far out that you must be a plant. Out of the closet now, confess John. Did Rham Emmanuel hire you?
check Honolulu Advertiser, quotes are there! Get in in your head that no one has to show you anything, complain to each states Election Board if you wish.
now time for me to stop wasting time with an asshole, GoddBye
It’s all over now, Obama finally agreed to transparency.
Obama Releases
Official Birth Certificate
12-22-08
Go Here:
http://www.rense.com/general84/mdl.htm
I live in Hawaii, I have 3 children born here. The Certificate of Live birth is what the certificate says, there is NO long form kept by the state. The people who are spreading this cyber-lie are basically phishing the internet look to con more people into their delution. It is not uncommon that they claim there will be riots. They are zealots, who can not be reasoned with.
@ Lou
I really enjoyed that one!
Lou,
I’ll have my experts take a look at this new document. I’m skocked that he would really produce his long form BC. After my expert looks at it and agrees it is not a false record, I will have to give up this fight.
VAM224 please verify that this is real. You are the only expert I know.
Never ask a question in court, where you don’t know the answer. Why isn’t he releasing his birth certificate? Because he’s waiting for Antonin Scalia and everyone else to make a huge deal about it and force the issue. Once it’s got everyone’s attention, it’ll be released; it’ll confirm that he meets the constitutional standards, and he’ll have insulated himself against any and all innuendo for the rest of his term. Why should you show your cards, when you can hold them and get a lot more chips in the pot?
wahine, you are wrong. There are 2 different certificates in Hawaii. One is a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, for those born in Hawaii. And then there is the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH for those whose parents say they are born in Hawaii, or say they were born overseas, and the document used for certified duplicates.
vma224, is Obama still paying you to come on to web sites and spread his propaganda? He’s wasting his money.
The birth certificate is not the issue . . . even Berg says so. Obama was born in Hawaii and that is not refuted by Berg. Opening the Hawaiin birth certificate vault will do nothing to settle the Berg complaint. But does Obama’s foreign father and foreign step-father somehow disqualify him as being natural born because of foreign influence, abandoning US citizenship, dual citizenship, etc. Perhaps those questions should be answered once and for all by the Supreme Court.
Sorry, Obama could easily produce a copy of the vault or long form birth certificate for $10.00. To date there has only been worthless circumstantial evidence offered such as the short form Certification of Live Birth, the announcement in the news paper, etc. But the one document that could prove this is the vault or long form birth certificate which the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding. We all know it is there and is available but Obama refuses to do so?
Once again, here is the Hawaiian land program that shows how to obtain a copy of the birth certificate, and it notes that it does not accept what Obama produced as it requires additional research. It is the fact that the short form Certification of Live Birth produced by Obama does not include any verifiable facts such as the name of the hospital, doctors or witnesses. Read pages 7-11:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf
The comments trying to argue against Obama producing his birth certificate are a slap in the face to the Constitution. This has nothing to do about race, sour grapes (this was first raised by Hillary as far back as February of 2008). This should have been resolved by Obama and the Democratic Party well before the election to avoid the crisis we are now facing of an ineligible President elect. Obama knows if he is eligible or not, he is a Constitutional attorney. If he is proven to be ineligible, even if he takes the oath of office, he will not be able to serve and will be forced to leave the White House. That will create a crisis as any acts he takes will be null and void. This needs to be resolved before he takes he oath of office.
There are still numerous lawsuits in various stages around the country. The Berg case is set for a conference with the Supreme Court on Jan.16, 2009. Alan Keyes has filed suit in Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096 and as Keyes was on the ballot with Obama his case is not susceptible to the lack of standing issue that most of the other lower court cases were dismissed under.
Maine Skeptic – SCOTUS has not “thrown out the case”, they have refused to hear it for lack of standing. Refusing to hear a case is not throwing it out for lack of merit. If the case get’s heard and the Messiah is ordered to produce his long form birth certificate then the court will rule. Don’t get to happy with yourself because somebody with proper “standing” may yet come along and force SCOTUS to stop ignoring the case and the Constitution.
The Supreme Court only cares about generating its own controversy when it suits a personal agenda. Dismissing suits based on lack of standing and tossing suits without having first been answered says they don’t want to be involved, and no one can make them. They know the documented evidence is flimsy at best from the 1950’s and they can’t say anything clearly based upon it. And, other points Berg argues are very sticky points of international law interpretation that can go either way when not subject appeal, so they will take the easy road and avoid the whole mess. They avoid because they can’t make an ironclad fact pattern to defend Hussein’s natural not “naturalized” citizenship status. As for why the matter before the spineless and useless Supreme Court still has traction, Barack’s family affiliations and travel record are just too hard to swallow from a common sense perspective. When is the last time the President had wretchedly poor relatives in awful countries claiming to see his birth there? I’m not convinced the man meets the intent of the Constitution even if he can show one hospital name, a unique birth time, and un-altered birth certificate. I want the Supreme Court to construct an answer where Hussein’s father, mother’s age, travel history, and birth certificate all definitively make him a natural born citizen, but they never will, and that’s my real problem with this mess.
@ Pat
Exactly. There is a huge difference between lack of standing and lack of merit – totally different concepts.
I think SCOTUS is playing an extremely dangerous hand and could in actual fact set some precedent with disastrous consequences for the constitution. It is one thing throwing out any other case for lack of standing, but to go down that route when you are dealing with principles which uphold the constitution of the country, is a totally different ball game.
OBAMA, STOP STONEWALLING. SHOW US YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND PAST RECORDS!!
Obama has complete authority and ability to put the birth certificate controversy to rest. He can start by SHOWING THE WHOLE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE! For whatever reason, he has chosen not to. Obama can clear this up by releasing his records but chooses to resist that via legal wrangling. He has the power to easily prevent the next eight years being fraught with this controversy. Why doesn’t he resolve the issue now?
I have to ask myself, why doesn’t he release the true and complete records of his birth? The most logical answer is that he does in fact have something to hide.
He promised the most open and transparent administration ever. It’s looking like that was a politics-as-usual pre-election lie.
I WANT TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!
The Supreme Court has not “thrown out” these cases, nor have they raised the lack of standing to bring the case. The SC has held conferences where they decided not to take these cases for hearing. The SC takes a fraction of the cases that are submitted to them.
The lack of standing arguments have been used in the lower courts to dismiss the cases, such as in Berg, and not at the SC level.
Have a good time at the inauguration,all you idiots.Even if I had voted for obamma ,I wouldn`t want to be any where near him.You must be crazy to risk you lives.I`ll just watch it on t.v.